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What if we can't save the world?

Posted on Mar 13th, 2009 by tinkonthebrink : serendipitous researcher tinkonthebrink
This is in Response to the Questions and Reflections for March 13, 2009:

"This question comes from Margaret Wheatley. What if we can't save the world? How can we do our work without needing to hope that we will succeed?"

How do we ever imagine that we know we will "succeed"? We're only here for a minute. I'm here for the experiences and one of those experiences is the caretaking of the world that supports me and even I'm not self-absorbed enough to think I'm going to either save the world or destroy it with my choices. But all the world-saving choices happen to also be life-enhancing, community-building choices and they bring their own joy. I prefer the successes I can roll around in and share with friends and laugh about and maybe have tattooed on some private part of my body. I think we're only going to save the world with joy and real, deep authentic pleasure and appreciation and then we've already succeeded.
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Satya-Seer : Present - See me?
7 minutes later
Satya-Seer said

“I think we’re only going to save the world with joy and real, deep authentic pleasure and appreciation and then we’ve already succeeded.”


 


Oh I love this Jeannie! ;-D

mimi : MOONCHILD
about 1 hour later
mimi said

Thanks for your help :>)
(((hugs))

tinkonthebrink : serendipitous researcher
about 1 hour later
tinkonthebrink said
tharlam, I think the real joys aren’t the ones that are destroying the planet. And that all we can do is live the life we’re in the middle of…if people are upset about global warming but don’t enjoy riding their bike in the sunshine or walking to the farmer’s market or they don’t bother to pick up the trash on the way then there isn’t real in-the-moment joy. If each one of us is really authentically and consciously present in our own life and we live what is really joyful I believe we’ll be fine, or at the very least that it’s our only good choice. And I don’t in any way see compassion being incompatible with pleasure - it certainly isn’t an either/or choice for me.
mimi : MOONCHILD
about 2 hours later
mimi said

Balance, not an either or.  Not just be a one trick pony.

We have to naturally choose the best with a good heart filled with joy, pleasure and compassion. 

One of the weirdest thing I noticed when I started on a Buddhist path was other new Buddhists almost trolling for people to show compassion to - trying to apply an intellectual concept to a heart concept.  We have to do the good things in our nature and allow others to show us their good nature.  A light touch works best for me being giver or receiver.   thanks to all who help_^_

tinkonthebrink : serendipitous researcher
about 2 hours later
tinkonthebrink said
and what I’m trying to convey is that a truly joyful and life affirming “little bubble” touches everyone and everything around us, and that we aren’t likely to heal the world with pain and self-flagellation no matter how virtuous it seems. One can derive much joy from helping others, sure, but one can also derive much joy from making clothes from thrift shop finds, growing a garden instead of a lawn, having friends come for dinner, walking to the store and generally having a real moment to moment meaningful life. And that’s how we can possibly maybe ultimately save the world. At least the world as we know it.
mimi : MOONCHILD
about 2 hours later
mimi said

I agree tink,
If I’m not happy……..if I’m not comfortable, compassion will not be in the forefront.  And I don’t want compassion to be a job, but a natural outflow of a happy heart.  When I worked for hours in the garden, I felt closest to God/Nature/The Universe.  I was part of the soil, ants, stones, weeds,  bees.  Each of us doing our job.

maze : ordinary
about 3 hours later
maze said

I love to say this: life is a series of small joys

about 3 hours later
Tharlam said

I removed my earlier comment as it was being misunderstood on the grounds of semantics.

I was not in anyway talking about compassion from an ascetic angle; forgoing ones well-being for that of another.  If one does not look after their own well-being they are of no use to anyone.

The way I read the initial blog post was in a “as long as I am happy and content, forget the rest” kind of vein.  My misunderstanding has since been cleared by subsequent comment from the author. 




Michael : catalyst-producer
about 4 hours later
Michael said

small joys indeed experienced moment by moment as WE seek to ACTION the values which our Gaia Explorer has so eloquently referred to

B.B. : I dunno
about 4 hours later
B.B. said
Oh Jeannie this is such a moving read. I feel like this feel that the point of my existence is not to save the world but to live in this world,to participate,to love,to share and laugh and watch as beauty in the strangest of places unfolds before me.
I used to be more militant when I was younger,i think it was the fear,the anger,the concept that we are all going to hell in a garbage truck,filled with disposable diapers and computer parts,covered by heaps of plastic bags,and it didn’t matter cuz we were all gonna burn up from global warming anyways. That there was much anger in me and it was externalized through judgement and hasty decisions,not really enjoying the view in front of me. That somewhere…i don’t know where,it just stopped,this voice saying `baby you’re missing the point,stop being afraid and respect yourself,let yourself experience this life’ the rest just followed.
there is so much good so much beauty so much joy,so much compassion in this world far more than there is not.




tinkonthebrink : serendipitous researcher
about 4 hours later
tinkonthebrink said
so I was having a conversation with someone and their part was deleted and I know that some of my comments probably don’t make any sense now but so it goes…I do wish that delete option for comments didn’t exist here, as it doesn’t on most sites. But again, so it goes.

Bridget, thank you and yes. It is what unfolds in front of us isn’t it? And if we don’t find the good things and juice those things up what can we possibly offer? I only have my own life in front of me and the beauty and kindness and harshness and severity of the world I get to live in as a compass. 

For the most part I think the choices that help us are also the choices that heal us and make our lives more connected, to this planet and to one another. 

Beats shopping at the mall.


about 6 hours later
Tharlam said

The conversation you were having was with me, my friend.  You can use my name.  Gaians I feel are blessed with the intelligence to deduce as much. 

I removed my post(s) as they detracted from your blog post.  I felt your trying to explain yourself to me was drawing us further from the initial point, of which it seems, only I misunderstood. 

I do agree with the blog post.  Perhaps the only lesson I have to learn here is to think before I leap.  In other words, seek clarification before railing against it.  One has not had a good time here on Gaia of late and it is injecting a certain degree of incoherence to my posts. 

Blessings.

D.

tinkonthebrink : serendipitous researcher
about 7 hours later
tinkonthebrink said
hello tharlam - I wasn’t meaning to slight you, I just try to respect the option of deleting content (even though I don’t agree with it)…if you delete somethng then you weren’t there right? 


Don’t look before you leap I think, just leaping is great. And calling one’s self “me” rather than “one”, that helps too. And a little incoherence never hurts.
heemes : Philosophy Minor, Life Major
about 11 hours later
heemes said

Re: saving the world…  What if the world doesn’t need saving, but maybe we do.

I’d suggest the Steven Covey tactic of ”beginning with the end in mind”.  That works for me, sometimes.  <sigh>

Doug : Back Yard Artist
about 12 hours later
Doug said

Hi Jeannie, Your personal relationship with your life says more about saving the world then the volumes of books stacked on all the new age book store shelves that will ever exist. You’ll never know what life is from a book, you only know it when you do it. You do it well!

Yancey : Harmonic Energy Seeker
about 16 hours later
Yancey said

I agree with heemes, that we all need saving. Each one of us is our own world from our own perspective. Saving ourselves is saving our world.

One of my old sayings is “save the world, save yourself, starting with the center out.” I work with myself first, then family, friends, my society, the world, our galaxy, our part of the solar system then the universe.

I like Doug’s comment and will quote him here: “Your personal relationship with your life says more about saving the
world then the volumes of books stacked on all the new age book store
shelves that will ever exist.”

I am jumping in a bit late…
I have a question: why do we have to ever know that we succeed in order to do our own work? should not our work, in this case caring for our planet and its inhabitants, be in and of itself rewarding? if we truly live our lives in love and helping one another, is that not enough? do we really need the ‘hope’ to succeed? and what exactly is the definition of ‘saving our world’???
saving relics of the past? that has its own beauty and worth…
but is it not also about changing ourselves and our expectations to that which would enable us all to see we need to work together? and sometimes it does begin with planting one seed, and nurturing one garden… at a time.
just thoughts… maybe we need to think of ways to change, and ways to let go of things that no longer serve us? and rebuild our communities and widen our visions… are we not capable of growth and change and unconditional love? we truly need to think of being kinder to all… and then how can it fail?
and perhaps all this has been said already by all of you wonderful folks before me… but a good thought for my nite!!! thankyou all for sharing your thoughts!
peacelovelight

tinkonthebrink : serendipitous researcher
5 days later
tinkonthebrink said
I love it when people come in with comments later - it makes me rethink and revisit things. It feels like getting a little gift.

Heemes and Yancey too - I do so agree that starting in our own lives and having an intention (without being getting too attached to having things turn out exactly as we think) is so helpful. And also that the whole process has to be satisfying and not just tasks to check off on a list. 

Doug, thank you so much. I’m a funny person about those new age books. I think it’s fine that many people enjoy them and maybe they end up changing our consciousness in broad strokes but I don’t tend to read them. I’m put off by something usually. 

Margo - yes yes yes. Everything always starts with one action, one seed, doesn’t it? And so many enormous changes began with one small thing that was never predicted to turn out that way. The important thing for me is one small action after another and really being in each of those little moments. And being in joy and kindness and being able to play and invite other people to play seems like the only way we will get to the “saving the world” part.

I’m going to go and find old posts now and leave comments for people on them. What a nice thing to find this morning!


a very wise person I know once said that you plant a seed, then leave it alone… you don’t go dig it up every day to make sure it is growing!!!
we trust that it will grow!!! spring always follows winter… even if the earth is crying and we get floods and droughts… we still can do our part…
so we plant the ideas, we grow our ‘gardens’… with caring about others and spreading joy and kindness… and on some level, we just have to trust that we all find our own answers in this big garden we call earth…
in the meantime, we should also play… I want to play and not be so serious every minute!!! ok, I know we also need the serious stuff, but without laughter and joy, would it really even be worth it?
oh to just laugh at ourselves! good thing I still have a sense of humor, even on the days it feels misplaced/hidden… it usually shows up again soon. and i can look at the sky and find beauty in the endlessness of possibilities…of galaxies dying and being born… as above, so below…
this past week has just felt ‘heavier’ than usual, perhaps it is me attracting others to my seriousness of this week… in which case… how about going out and play for a change? we can all cry and laugh together… gaia makes the world feel closer to me… and for that I am so grateful for this garden of seed planters… so plant and then have some sweet lemonade! scatter the smiles and hugs all around!!! and rejoice in silly abandonment, spring equinox fri!!!

janos : Practical philosopher
5 days later
janos said



Preamble:
Somber thoughts are not unhealthy; denying the shadow is.

What if we can’t save the world?

Life will go on. We will not be here; but there will remain plenty of time for evolution for another experiment in creating a species that can learn to guide its own future without destroying itself.

This is not an indulgence in pessimism but an exercise in looking at ourselves from without as if from the outside by another species.

However, I am a deep optimist and believe that we will “make it in the nick of time”. But we will have to wake up and realize that it is the grimy stuff of money, economics, production, technology that needs to be “spiritualized” not just our precious self-perception.

All online communities tend to be unbalanced because of the simple fact that a large section life is unrepresented: the “underclass” has no input into the chattering that goes on.
I am mostly a lurker in virtual communities and in my experience there is no, or hardly any, space occupied by issues relating to the struggles of earning our living. This common expression hides the most crucial evolutionary hint: In the post-industrial world we should not have to think in terms of having to “earn” the right to be here on earth.
If we fail to save the world and ourselves, it will be because we failed to have the confidence and courage to choose, even demand, utopia; so we will have succumbed to oblivion.
Please read my evolutionary essay and/or help me with my dormant (through lack of feed back) evolutionary pod.



tinkonthebrink : serendipitous researcher
6 days later
tinkonthebrink said
Janos, your ideas are interesting but I don’t think I see things exactly the same way. Maybe I’m a shallow optimist? 

I think my “precious self perception” is part of what makes me human and different from, say, my dogs and cats. And I think how we see ourselves matters so much in terms of what kind of world we’re going to create.

And money? I only see it as a convenient means of exchanging energy and value. The fact that the corporate and banking world has chosen and been allowed to inflate it and manipulate and make it nearly empty of value at the moment doesn’t make money a bad thing any more than people becoming obese makes food a bad thing. Ultimately it’s the money system that’s forcing our world (uncomfortably!) to become honest about what’s been going on. 

When I look out my window every bird and plant I see is “earning a living” every single day. I’m happy to work to sustain my life and have enough left over to help someone else now and then and support organizations I believe in. For me, utopia wouldn’t be at all the same as being unaccountable for what I contribute to my own life and to the world around me. I think I’m lucky in that I do work that I love and feel good about (and I know I could make more money doing different work but it isn’t about that - the money is honest money and my work is something I enjoy). 
And unbalanced? Yes, people who don’t have access to computers are obviously unrepresented but there are plenty of people here from everywhere in the world who have very very little in terms of material wealth - and people who have quite a lot. There are people who haven’t had much formal education - and people with multiple graduate degrees. Is it balanced? I’m not sure what the balance would be, or that “balanced” means 50/50 or any other “even” balance. But I know that a lot of the “chattering” that goes on has really enriched my life. 

I do think though that this is a specific kind of community, with a stated intention. And as a result it is probably skewed toward people who are optimistic, kind, inspired and inspiring. I know that for some people this comes across as a bit of a “fluffy” place but that’s not quite fair. A community that intends to be a “sanctuary” is a different place from facebook (just for example) and both have value - but different kinds of value. So in that way, yes this is probably an “unbalanced” community but I’ll take that kind of unbalance any day.

For whatever reason I don’t tend to visit the groups (pods) - I don’t even visit ones I’ve started! It somehow just doesn’t work for me and I’m not sure why. I do love these little conversation streams and love reading other people’s ideas on their blogs but the group structure seems to take too much time for the reward (for me) and it always seems a bit fragmented. Maybe I’m just too linear? (I’m sure no one who knows me would agree with that, so I’m probably back to “I just don’t know”. I come back to that so often and in so many different areas of life…).

I hope your dormant pod wakes up for you - spring is on it’s way. Thank you for breaking your lurking policy and leaving your thoughts!

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